Three weeks ago, Phillies manager shrugged off Cliff Lee's oblique strain and put his trust in the rotation's depth.

Perhaps he overestimated.

Asked Tuesday how much his team missed Lee, who comes off the disabled list today against the Mets, Manuel said, "We haven't won any of his starts, have we?"

Kyle Kendrick, Lee's replacement, lost all three of his outings, although he pitched well in the last two after getting hammered by the Diamondbacks in his first.