Kobe Bryant has never hurt for confidence. And when you’re as accomplished as the Black Mamba, it’s hard to blame him. But despite five NBA championship rings, 15 All-Star appearances, and an MVP award, Bryant is still considered by many to be a lesser player than Michael Jordan.

During an interview with Fox Sports Live, Phil Jackson shared an anecdote from one of the first times Kobe and MJ met. After a Lakers game the year following Jordan’s second retirement in 1999, Jackson asked his former superstar in Chicago to talk to his new talisman in Los Angeles a little bit.

“Let’s meet in the chairman’s room after the game, I want you to talk to Kobe a little,” Jackson recalled asking Jordan. “I think if you convince him to just wait, just be patient allow the game to come to him … because the team kind of loses their offensive direction.”

Jackson led Jordan into the meeting room where Kobe was waiting.