Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky don't have sympathy pains, just scars.

They've both had the same shoulder surgery that Taylor Hall is about to have and they know from experience that it's not a fun time.

"It's a long injury, six months," said Horcoff, who had his done in 2008, after aggravating his shoulder at the All-Star game.

"It's a longer injury, six months. The good news is that it's only six months between playing. He's going to be able to train fully six weeks after it's done.

"It just takes a long time for it to heal because it's so far inside, and not a lot of blood gets there."